Did you ever wonder how a 2.0 V16 sounds?

"Alex87f" (alex87f) 01/19/2014 at 12:27 • Filed to: Rally, V16

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... well wonder no more. The Vincent Foucart 205 V16 is your answer:

It's based on a tubular chassis and uses four de-stroked CBR600 engines put together

The whole car:

A shame there's no word on power output...
EDIT : there is. According to one of their competitors, power output would be 437hp . That's twice the specific output of a Honda S2000!

That power is channeled through all four wheels and a 6-speed sequential gearbox.

Photo credit: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

DrJohannVegas > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 12:36

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Overly complex and not naturally balanced? Sign me up. (/s)

Impressive work, but it's really old heads (they look like F2s) and must be a nightmare to maintain. 64 valves, eight camshafts, four timing chains, ugh.

Raphael Orlove > DrJohannVegas 01/19/2014 at 13:01

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you say potato, I say fantastically oddball homebrew engineering

but yes, I'm glad that I don't have to maintain this thing

404usernotfound > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 13:02

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It almost sounds electric.

bhardoin > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 13:07

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Sounds like a pod racer.

HammerheadFistpunch > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 13:21

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I read at first: 2.0L 16V and thought...so what a 4 valve per cylinder 4 pot, I hear those all the time. Then I re-read it. Dayum.

Alex87f > Raphael Orlove 01/19/2014 at 13:25

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Clearly. Maintaining that must be a nightmare. And it's hard to race, too. Most racing classes do not allow for such a high number of cylinders.

That Peugeot 205 silhouette started with a BMW V12 (which I believe was sourced from a le Mans racing car), and then turned into that craziness.

bpromersberger > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 13:32

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To me this sounds like the worlds angriest power drill.

DrJohannVegas > Raphael Orlove 01/19/2014 at 13:40

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I dunno, Raph, I just don't get it. With that many cylinders, the additional engine mass and sliding friction of all those bearings and rings is going to start to cut into the power gains from revving higher on more cylinders. Also, it seems silly to build an engine which is probably really peaky for rally, which tends to need powerband. If it were me, and I got to the point where I had to take out the extra ~400cc to make displacement limits, I would have debored.

You say fantastically oddball homebrew engineering, I say misguided albatross of an engine driven by an obsession with cylinder count. Also, and perhaps more controversially, I hate how it sounds. (Which is like 4 four cylinders strapped together.)

cbell04 > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 13:49

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So each cylinder would have a displacement of about 0.125 liter or 125 ml a little over 4 us oz's or just shy of 3 shoots of liquor. Someone smarter than I can figure out the bore and stroke I'm sure.. Pretty crazy engineering going on there to keep that sucker running.

Alex87f > bpromersberger 01/19/2014 at 14:27

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Haha a 300++hp (400?) V16 powerdrill would sure look like something!

Alex87f > DrJohannVegas 01/19/2014 at 14:33

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Fair point. I can't see this engine getting more than 400hp, maybe even 500. Any well built 2.0l turbo four can produce a similar output, with probably better reliability and less weight / bulk.

As I was saying on another post of this thread, one of this car's earlier engine was a -probably Le Mans sourced- BMW V12.

Echo51 > cbell04 01/19/2014 at 15:20

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You calculated the 0.125l a cylinder, and the description says de-stroked CBR 600 engines. Bore for those were 67mm, and stock stroke was 42.5mm(damn). Destroked to .125l a cylinder would end you at 36.5mm stroke.

Raphael Orlove > DrJohannVegas 01/19/2014 at 15:25

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it definitely doesn't sound fantastic, but it sounds different and certainly intriguing. I'm glad somebody built it rather than yet another medium-displacement turbo four. But I'm glad somebody else built it.

For the record, I think it sounds a bit like two Formula cars running side by side.

Burrito de EJ25 > Alex87f 01/19/2014 at 22:23

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Sounds like a Boss 302 with a racing exhaust in Gran Turismo 6.

Alex87f > Burrito de EJ25 01/20/2014 at 02:41

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I'm not sure of what this says about GT6,.

bbutle01 > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 12:16

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Sorry, this sounds like someone is racing an R/C car. And it seems to take off extremely slow. CP!

Alex87f > bbutle01 01/20/2014 at 12:31

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You don't know the price!

PS9 > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 13:47

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It...it sounds like a giant RC car...

Alex87f > PS9 01/20/2014 at 13:51

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Scaringly, it kind of looks like one, too.

JayHova > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:10

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Sounds like a giant RC car. The ride height also reminds me of this Integrale:

Bacon > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:32

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How did they do it? Is it a single crankshaft with a custom block like the H1V8? CBR's have the transmission built right into the block, so I would guess it's a custom setup. Far from homebrew engineering...

Fuel_of_Satan > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:33

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It's like I want to ask "Why?", but at the same I don't care why. I'm just glad its here.

DieHardDan > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:36

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I'm just gonna come out and say it... Sounds like ass. Really it sounds like a giant electric motor instead of internal combustion. I prefer the sound of large cylinders. I'm sure this was all done in the name of saving weight, but without any numbers we really can't make any comparison.

Jacob Lower > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:40

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same sound XD

Ratchet when he's all hopped up on synthetic energon > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:40

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It sounds like a toddler in the full throes of a stage IV temper-tantrum.

Harris_the_Unknowing > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:42

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because RACECAR

5_cyl_freak > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:42

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That sounds absolutely hilarious haha I couldn't help but think of a buzzing remote control car.

deleted > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:44

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It sounds so cute, not at all angry, but i would like to drive it, just for the heck of it

lexuslover > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:46

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its screamer,.scream to the moon....maintenance complex maybe,but its not hard.same just rebuilt 4 sportbike at once(it can be mix and match since same engine).but hey man its really responsive.one of them the fastest custom car, suzuki powered engine

my car smells like crayons > cbell04 01/20/2014 at 17:47

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For even more craziness, consider that the fine folks at Honda built (and sold) a 250cc I-4 (48.5 mm bore × 33.8 mm stroke).

GrandmasterBhud > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:51

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I'm guessing about 200hp, and 1,000 torque.

chip > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 17:59

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Nice bundle o' snakes!

Josiah G. > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:03

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Sounds like an RC car but more abrasive to my ears. It's kinda driving me insane. Also, anyone else think it looks like it's handling awkwardly?

leicester > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:06

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That's a lot of angry bees.

Mazarin > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:08

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Pffft, I used to race these all the time.

Bob LeDrew > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:31

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I figure you could pay for the maintenance by charging jalops to look at it.

Blakkar > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:36

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Well, it answers one question. Yes, you can make a car run really F-promptingly fast with a few motorcycle engines.

Forsakenfire > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:39

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That's one of the worst car notes I've ever heard in my life.

etype > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:50

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sounds like 1000 bees one coke - doesn't look too torquey though

hawkeye18 > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:50

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This thing has to be so undersquare it's approaching one dimension.

69DubRod > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 18:59

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This just looks and sounds like an RC car.

retoxified > Burrito de EJ25 01/20/2014 at 19:05

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After spending hours on GT4, I'm not surprised. What is surprising is that people keep buying it.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Raphael Orlove 01/20/2014 at 19:13

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You say to-mah-to, I say ridiculous.
-shaggy beauregard.

cbell04 > my car smells like crayons 01/20/2014 at 19:13

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My knowledge is limited in this department guess thats why it fascinates me so much!

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Mazarin 01/20/2014 at 19:16

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So I'm ignorant of RC. What are the sticks poking through the hoods?

tf3cac > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius 01/20/2014 at 19:29

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body posts! or wedding ring storage places

rdkev > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius 01/20/2014 at 19:38

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They are body mount posts. There are holes in them and you send a pin through and that's how the body stays on.

Cabe N. Allen > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 19:40

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Please, someone, tell me why this engine is remotely desirable for this type of racing?

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 19:48

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Very cool. Although I have noticed that 16 cylinders really mostly sound like 4 and 8 cylinder cars, just more of them at once. The Veyron sounds amazing but it does mostly sound like a V8. A BRM 16 cylinder seems to sound a lot like a four cylinder, and so does this. Not in a bad way. I think it sounds cool. But to me, 12 cylinders is still the ideal count for sound. But holy shit...that thing must be crazy to behold.

m4ximusprim3 > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 20:41

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So, like an RC car, basically. got it.

SirRaoulDuke > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 20:49

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I have no idea what the question was, and I am not sure this was the answer, but damn it I want one.

You had fordboy357 at "meat tornado" > my car smells like crayons 01/20/2014 at 21:02

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Honda even built a 250cc (actually 249.42 cc) 6 cylinder race bike. The RC166. Soichiro built it for the Isle of Man TT and it dominated.

Look it up. It makes a glorious noise.

Fed(oo=[][]=oo)uken > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 21:16

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So the answer is, it sounds like it's in pain? Glorious over engineered pain!

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 21:40

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>CBR600

Worst. Motorcycle engine. EVER.

SoichiroFerdinandandEnzo > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 22:08

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Like a Craftsman weed whacker hopped up on coffee brewed with 5hour energy and Red Bull. I like it.

RiddldedTomcat > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 22:09

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Sounds like RC car

wheelguy > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 22:13

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sounds like an R/C car or an electric motor with a bad bearing. Interesting though, and I would like to see more of the engineering involved.

Honestabe > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 23:15

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Judging by the engine pics, it looks like you can see the cam bump on the valve cover which leads me to believe it is using the original heads (so 4 head mounted to a modular block), and considering a stock cbr600rr has over a 100 hp, I wouldn't be surprised if this has around 400 hp.

Greenmobile Supremo Commando, BRZ Extrordinare > Alex87f 01/20/2014 at 23:55

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It sounds like a horse sized bee, that is REALLY pissed off.

tehkav > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 00:46

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Oh man. That's the most insane sound I've ever heard. Like a dalek being eaten by a fighter jet turbine on afterburner.

ComradePhil > Raphael Orlove 01/21/2014 at 01:19

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Yeah, those things rev to 14000rpm on their own, so this is just taking it to a ridiculous extreme. On the plus side, they can do those kinds of revs all day long.

Alex87f > Fuel_of_Satan 01/21/2014 at 02:56

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It's like what Clarkson said about the GT500: I wouldn't want one, but I'm glad to live in a world where it exists.

Alex87f > JayHova 01/21/2014 at 02:59

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Yep. Keep in mind this is a silhouette though. Fiber panels atop a tubular chassis.

I wonder if they could make it look like a Stratos? That would be brilliant.

Alex87f > Josiah G. 01/21/2014 at 03:02

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Yep. It apparently won a few rallies though, so it's got to be at least a reasonably quick.

Cé hé sin > my car smells like crayons 01/21/2014 at 05:02

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Consider further that Honda were as I recall reading somewhere designing a 50cc triple before the rules were changed. They also used 14 speed gearboxes.

ale.marelli > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 06:24

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Curious to see the electronic that manages 4 engines outputs.

GhostZ > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 06:35

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Well, I can go deaf now. I've heard the best sounds in the universe.

Alex87f > ale.marelli 01/21/2014 at 06:38

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My guess would be a 100% custom engine management system like a Sybele. There's at least a couple of them out there that can manage up to 16 cylinders.

Forester guy > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 07:11

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that the sound of the cars is absolutely horrible. Trust me

Storz > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 07:14

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Yes plese

JayHova > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 07:54

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They should have made a silhouette version of the Delta S4.^^

Ricky Retardo > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 08:07

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Sounds like a K20 with a Nissan gearbox, lol.

CJFresh > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 08:28

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That is not twice the output of the S2000. Boo this man!

uberjugend > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 08:29

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I would say it sounds terribly silly. Sounds like a gas powered RC car.

xxmixedxtapexx > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 08:38

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Kinda sounds like a mosquito haha

UserNotFound > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 08:47

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So THAT is where they got the engine noises for Grand Turismo.

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I am Jack's complete lack of compassion > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 09:40

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If you said 'big RC car', you're a winner.

mk1gti > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 10:03

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Sounds exactly like GT6 and that is not a good thing...

Mikey > Cé hé sin 01/21/2014 at 10:19

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That was Suzuki, it was a 2-stroke V3, 50cc and about 20hp. 400hp/L in 1967.

If you want to know more about that era, read a book called "Stealing Speed." The writing isn't the best, but the story is good enough!

Mikey > my car smells like crayons 01/21/2014 at 10:19

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...which revved to 20,000rpm or more, depending on year/model. We have Japanese tax/license laws to thank :)

Cé hé sin > Mikey 01/21/2014 at 11:17

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Yes, Suzuki actually built theirs! Honda's was only rumoured for the 1968 season as was a 125 six and a 250 V8.

Saf1 > JayHova 01/21/2014 at 11:33

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WOW. This is the only good-looking example I can think of of an SUV bodied version of a car...

bromezz > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 13:24

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Sounds like a V12 or a V16 with helium injection.

Josiah G. > Alex87f 01/21/2014 at 17:35

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Oh, I'm sure it's quick on the stretches, but it doesn't seem like the driver would have much fun haha

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > DrJohannVegas 01/21/2014 at 18:06

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It is naturally balanced, though. I8s have natural balance, and this is basically two of those slapped together. Like a V12 is two I6s, only smoother. And awesomer.

DrJohannVegas > KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb 01/22/2014 at 00:26

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On inline eights: Primary balance yes, secondary balance no, unless the crank throws are phased appropriately. If this V16 is flat-plane, as the sound suggests, it's not perfectly balanced. I'd go further on this, but without seeing the crank design, it's pure conjecture.

However, I concede that my initial comment may not be as correct as I assumed it to be (I assumed all crank throws in one plane, basically two 90 degree flat plane V8s bolted together in phase) on first posting.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > DrJohannVegas 01/22/2014 at 09:59

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No, flat-plane V8s do not have secondary balance (though split-crank ones like in old muscle cars do), and two flat-planes slapped together might not (I haven't done the analysis to see whether or not this is true yet) either with stock crank profiles, but I'm assuming that if one goes through the effort of slapping the two together, one will go through the effort of getting a custom crank as well. Joining two crankshafts is both a difficult and risky proposition.

I'll have to look into that once I'm off work, though. I'm interested to see how the stock crank profiles would work.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > DrJohannVegas 01/22/2014 at 11:19

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Through an easy bit of analysis, I have found that if one simply welds the two cranks together,one can choose either first or second order imbalance. If you weld them together (again, a really tricky proposition) with the flat planes both aligned, you keep the second-order vibration. If you rotate one of the cranks 180 degrees relative to the other, you get first order imbalance, as the second order vibrations are offset from each other, essentially acting like a really big, smooth I2.

Again, though, I really bet he got a custom crank. It would be hard to weld two cranks together with enough precision.

ale.marelli > Alex87f 01/22/2014 at 17:47

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Interesting, man! Thanks!

phillipm > Alex87f 02/21/2016 at 12:49

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A 2.0L turbo four cylinder would be in a different class, so not comparable.